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re: frugal tuning?
31 oct 2002
arri london   wrote:

>nick pine wrote:
 
>> 0  440         440
>> 1  466.1638    469.8633
>> 2  493.8833    495
>> 3  523.251     528.5962
>> 4  554.3651    556.875
>> 5  587.3293    594.6707
>> 6  622.2538    626.4844
>> 7  659.2548    660
>> 8  698.4561    704.795
>> 9  739.9884    742.5
>> 10 783.9904    792.8943
>> 11 830.6088    835.3125
>> 12 879.9992    892.0061
>> 
>> now what's all this about improving equal temperament tuning for a piano
>> with stretchings and ditherings and octaves that aren't quite 2:1?
>> 
>> and why can't this be done electronically? do strings need to be tuned
>> to something other than certain frequencies? unseen forces? :-)
 
>yes...unseen forces definitely!

this could be a whole new mcfl myth family... 

>it's really about human perceptions, not just the physics.

let me try to get this straight. if i use an electronic instrument to
tune an a string to say, 443.1017 hz, humans will perceive the sound
differently from the sound the string would make if an old-world piano
tuner started with a fork (or perfect pitch), performed a number of
time-consuming rituals and incantations and tuned it to 443.1017 hz?

and if i then tune the d to 591.4698 hz with my instrument, and the
owpt with his fork and rituals eventually tuned it to 591.4698 hz,
that will also sound different? 

"perhaps not," you might say, but you might smile seraphically and add
"if you were to play the a and d _*together*_, the unseen forces would
come into play..."

>look at the fact that your two sets of results are close but not identical.

ok. i am staring in awestruck wonder.

>of course you can tune your piano exactly and
>electronically. you might well find your musician friends
>don't like it very much and say it sounds 'wrong'.

'pends on your friends...

(recording artists who record & tour with peterson autostrobe tuners)

ac/dc *  bryan adams *  aerosmith *  allman brothers *  tori amos *  =
jake andrews *  michael angelo *  anthrax *  april wine *  chet atkins * =
 back street boys *  bare naked ladies *  beach boys *  beautiful south =
*  beegees *  clint black *  black crowes *  black sabbath *  blessid =
union of souls *  blondie *  blues traveler *  bon jovi *  jackson =
browne *  buckcherry *  buffalo tom *  jimmy buffet *  bush *  cademan's =
call *  brother cain *  candlebox *  jerry cantrell *  carolina spine *  =
mary chapin carpenter *  tracy chapman *  cheap trick *  chet smith =
orchestra *  cinderella *  eric clapton *  kurt cobain=b0 *  paula cole =
*  phil collins *  shawn colvin *  chris cornell *  counting crows *  =
cowboy junkies *  cowboy mouth *  david crosby *  sheryl crow *  crow =
bar *  cruzados *  steve dahl *  dave matthews band *  taylor dayne *  =
deep purple *  def leppard *  delta phonic *  the delvins *  diamond rio =
*  dimebag *  celine dion *  dixie chicks *  doobie brothers *  pete =
droge *  eagle eye cherry *  eagles *  econoline crush *  emerson, lake =
& palmer=b0 *  melissa etheridge *  everclear *  fear factory *  finger =
11 *  john fogerty *  fog hat *  lita ford *  glen frey *  fuel *  kenny =
g *  garbage *  gob *  goo goo dolls *  grant lee buffalo *  guns 'n =
roses *  steve hackett *  sammy hagar *  hansons *  george harrison *  =
don henley *  hole *  bruce hornsby *  icos *  indigo girls *  jewel *  =
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*  little river band *  local h *  loud mouth *  lynard skynard *  ellie =
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mcentire *  sarah mclachlan *  megadeth *  john mellencamp *  men at =
work *  metallica *  midnight oil *  moody blues *  dave navarro *  =
me'shell n'degeocello *  willie nelson *  new model army *  stevie nicks =
*  nitty gritty dirt band *  niu steel band *  no doubt *  ted nugent *  =
old '97s *  joan osbourne *  ozzy osbourne *  jimmy page *  pearl jam *  =
michael penn *  pink floyd *  robert plant *  prince *  queen=b0 *  =
bonnie raitt *  ratt *  rem *  reo speedwagon *  leann rimes *  rolling =
stones *  joe satriani *  savage garden *  scorpions *  bob seager *  =
seal *  brian setzer *  sevendust *  duncan sheik *  paul simon *  *  =
sisters of mercy *  smashing pumpkins *  slash *  slayer *  smash mouth =
*  son volt *  soul asylum *  soulfly *  soundgarden=b0 *  rick =
springfield *  billy squire *  steely dan *  steve miller band *  styx * =
 sugar ray *  survivor *  john sykes *  system of a down *  the the *  =
third eye blind *  three men in kilts *  tool *  robin trower *  tina =
turner *  shania twain *  bonnie tyler *  u2 *  steve vai *  eddie van =
halen *  stevie ray vaughan=b0 *  wallflowers *  joe walsh *  warrant *  =
hank williams jr. *  johnny winter *  stevie wonder *  yanni *  trisha =
yearwood *  yes *  dwight yoakam *  neil young *  frank zappa=b0 *  zz =
top *  311 *  5440 *

=b0 survived by their peterson tuners

      is your gear made using peterson autostrobes??

accurate percussion *  adrian farmer luthiers *  aria musical =
instruments *  b.c. rich guitars *  beltuna accordions *  bernhard =
steiner pianos *  best musical instruments *  bon cajun instruments *  =
boston music company *  c. f. martin & co., inc. *  cahus-pan *  carini =
di carini *  castiglione accordian *  castle accordian *  chandler =
industries *  claire givens violin, inc. *  cliff alexis & co. *  cosmo =
pan musical instruments *  cougar guitars *  cucchiara harpsichord *  =
curbow stringed instruments, inc. *  de gouden brug *  dean guitars *  =
dong jou musical works *  dusty strings company *  emerson flutes =
percussion *  ernie ball *  fender musical instruments *  =
flugel-harmonim klavier *  fox products corporation *  g. leblanc corp. =
*  gabbanelli accordions *  gary brawer guitar & bass *  gibson guitars =
*  godin guitars *  guild guitars *  hamer guitars *  happydrum *  =
hohner incorporated *  hoshino usa (ibanez) *  iorio accorgans & =
accordions *  ithaca guitar works *  jaros custom guitars *  jupiter =
band insturments *  l. bosendorfer klavierfabrik *  lyon & healy harps * =
 malletech percussion *  mapson instruments *  marimba 1 *  michael =
greenfield, luthier *  mjolnir pan factory *  musser *  optek music =
systems *  ovation *  panyard steel pans *  patricola oboes & clarinets =
*  paul reed smith *  peavey electronics *  pegasus guitars & ukuleles * =
 pigini s.r.l. *  plymouth guitars *  power marimbas *  queensland =
percussion instruments *  riverbank laboratories *  ross mallet =
instruments *  runyon products, inc. *  s.b. macdonalds custom =
instruments *  sabian ltd. *  sadowsky guitars *  samick music corp. *  =
schecter guitars *  schulmerich bells *  sonor *  tacoma guitar company =
*  taylor guitars *  the getzen company *  the selmer company *  tobias =
guitars *  trinidad & tabago instruments *  tropical hammer steel drum * =
 university tuning project (ellie mannette) *  van der glas percussion * =
 warwick guitars *  washburn international *  whitechapel bell foundry, =
ltd *  yamaha musical instruments * 

nick




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