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re: frugal storm shelters?
4 may 2000
sojourner tries logic:
>> > so you are expecting windspeeds greater than 346 mph, ie 100 mph
>> > faster than the highest recorded windspeed in north america?
>"tornado-chasing scientists in oklahoma last week measured wind speeds
>of 318 miles per hour, the highest ever documented on earth. "
okokok, merely 28 mph faster than the highest recently recorded
windspeed. as i recall, the last was 246 mph on mt. washington...
>a hurricane with wind speeds of > 155 mph is considered a class 5
>hurricane - very very bad.
even programmers know that 155 is less than 346.
>a tornado going 155 mph is only a class f-2 - they go all the
>way up to class f-5, >260 mph.
many also recognize that 260 is less than 346.
>they can leave a swath of destruction up to a mile wide and 50 miles long.
>they also can cluster - last year there was a cluster of tornadoes in
>texas, 14 of them, and another in alabama, i think it was 6.
and many avoid non-sequiturs and rambling.
>> >> i'll take a septic tank, empty or full...
>> > that is a septic tank, fool...
>whoever said this is the fool.
so then, septic tanks are not septic tanks?
>a septic tank sitting on top of the ground, even if its made of cement,
>is nothing to try to sit out a tornado in.
some programmers also appreciate physics, and reinforced concrete
(vs cement) construction.
>you're absolutely nuts if you think this is safe.
it seems quite a bit safer than a "storm room."
>you cannot tie 55 gallon drums to such a structure well enough to be sure
>they'll still be there through a tornado.
'pends on the tornado, no?
>there's no such thing as "well-lashed" in 200 mph + winds.
no steel cables or bolts are thick enough! makes perfect sense...
(but wait, don't some airplanes fly 200 mph + ?)
>not only that but when one of those bolts - or that john deere
>tractor mentioned earlier - hits those water barrels, splash!!!
losing 1 or 2 drums would be ok.
>there goes all your water and there goes all your weight.
losing a bunch of drums might let the 9 ton tank fall on your head.
>berming it with 3' of earth all the way around (for "streamlining",
>indeed!) amounts to burying it.
now, now. berming is different from burying. a lot less work.
"buried" things don't stick 5' out of the ground.
nick
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